This Cloud Security Podcast episode features an interview with Royal Hansen, Alphabet's CISO. The conversation begins with Hansen discussing his career path from financial institutions to Google, highlighting the shift from protecting digital assets in a specific sector to contributing to a broader, globally impactful infrastructure. The discussion then delves into the unique challenges and advantages of designing security programs at Google's scale, emphasizing the necessity of "secure by design" principles and the strategic use of AI for threat detection and response. Hansen highlights the importance of viewing security as an emergent property of the system, rather than a separate layer, and the role of Google's engineering culture in fostering this approach. Finally, he offers a tip for CISOs: to integrate security into the ongoing digitization of various industries and recommends the book "Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk" for further insight into risk management.