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Vision, not skill, is the heart of creativity. But when a creative vision gets too big for one person, the key is to ask for help.

Logic is a platinum-selling rapper who’s made waves in the hip hop world. After a troubled childhood, he started making music with a positive, introspective message, eventually receiving nominations for two Grammy Awards. But after achieving massive popular success, he decided to branch out into something different. Today, he writes science fiction novels, makes movies, and is the only rapper to also have a New York Times bestseller.

I sat down with Logic, whose real name is Bobby Hall, for a deep dive into bringing creative visions to life — especially when you have no idea what you’re doing.

This…is A Bit of Optimism.

For more on Logic and his work, check out:

his new novel,

Confident Ignorance with rapper, novelist, and filmmaker Logic

A Bit of Optimism