In this podcast episode, host Friedberg leads a discussion with geopolitical experts John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs about the "Deep State" and its role in shaping U.S. foreign policy. They analyze how this bipartisan administrative structure affects American governance and military strategies, particularly concerning China and Russia. Mearsheimer advocates for a cautious approach to global threats, emphasizing national interests, while Sachs warns against a power-driven foreign policy that could heighten risks, including the possibility of nuclear conflict. The episode wraps up with a critical look at the evolving dynamics of U.S.-China relations and the impact of rising powers like India.