In this podcast episode, historians Andrew Roberts and Adam Zamoyski engage in a captivating debate, moderated by Jeremy Paxman, about the definition of greatness as it pertains to Napoleon Bonaparte. Roberts defends Napoleon, pointing to his significant accomplishments like the Napoleonic Code and his efforts to stabilize France, arguing that his impact on modern governance and society overshadows his military setbacks and personal shortcomings. On the other hand, Zamoyski takes a critical stance, questioning whether Napoleon truly deserves the title of "great" given his military defeats and oppressive actions. This compelling discussion delves into the complexities of assessing historical figures, leaving listeners to reflect on the intricate legacy of one of history’s most polarizing leaders.