In this podcast episode, the discussion revolves around how reference checks have changed over time. What used to be a quick phone call has now become a lengthy process involving detailed written forms and questionnaires, which can overwhelm referees. This change stems from employers' concerns about legal risks and their need for hiring practices that are scalable and cost-effective. However, experts point out that traditional reference checks often fall short and suggest that alternatives like job simulations and interviews are better indicators of a candidate's potential performance. Additionally, the growing use of data and AI in recruitment is further diminishing the value placed on conventional references.