In this episode of the Bulwark Podcast, Tim Miller and Bill Kristol delve into the emerging divisions within the MAGA movement following the 2024 election. Their discussion is fueled by Miller's recent experiences at a MAGA convention in Phoenix, where he interacted with notable figures such as Matt Gaetz and Carrie Lake. They highlight the growing rift between the traditional MAGA supporters and the tech-savvy faction aligned with Elon Musk. A pivotal moment in the conversation is Trump's controversial decision to appoint an advisor who advocates for stricter immigration policies, showcasing the significant disagreements on immigration within the Republican Party. They wrap up by exploring the challenges that the new Republican-led Congress will face, particularly concerning the debt ceiling and impending legislative conflicts.