This episode of the podcast series "Big Debates" explores the evolution of artificial intelligence (AI) in the enterprise software market as we look ahead to 2025. The conversation begins with a shift in focus from AI infrastructure to the application of AI capabilities in software. Key topics include the rise of "agentic computing," which enables AI to reason, perform tasks, and correct mistakes. This technology could significantly boost productivity, potentially adding up to $4 trillion by enhancing or replacing human labor. The podcast also discusses challenges, such as the computational power needed for AI development and the long-term prospects for Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), concluding that widespread adoption of AGI is unlikely before 2035. Listeners will gain valuable insights into the changing AI landscape and its economic implications.