Getting outdoors has never been nerdier! Atmospheric scientist and avid ultra runner Joe Boomgard-Zagrodnik joins Ted and Marni to bring a truly informed, scientific perspective on how we can conscientiously enjoy the great outdoors.

We talk climate change, optimism, microplastics and much much more. If you like Woke Points then you should love Joe BZ because he originally introduced Ted and Marni when they crewed for him at The Western States 100 race.

Books referenced in this episode:
- Yi-Fu Tuan, Topophilia
Links:
- William Cronon, “The Trouble with Wilderness”

Keep learning from Joe:
The Convergence Zone
Twitter/X
Google Scholar

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Outdoorsy Talk with Real Scientist Dr. Joe Boomgard-Zagrodnik

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