This interview podcast features Dr. Mark Hyman and Jason Karp discussing the meta-crisis—the interconnectedness of planetary, human, and mental health issues, largely stemming from our food system. The conversation begins with Karp's personal health journey, highlighting his recovery from multiple autoimmune diseases through dietary changes, leading to his founding of HumanCo, a company focused on healthy and delicious food products. The discussion then pivots to Karp's campaign to hold Kellogg's accountable for using artificial food dyes in its US products, which are banned in other countries, and the subsequent response from Kellogg's to meet with Karp. Karp advocates for a multi-pronged approach to reform, including consumer boycotts, regulatory changes, and potential litigation, emphasizing the need for companies to prioritize stakeholder well-being over profit maximization. Ultimately, the podcast underscores the urgent need for systemic change in our food system to improve public health and environmental sustainability.