This interview podcast features a conversation between a host and Ilya Sutskever, Chief Scientist at OpenAI, focusing on the development and capabilities of large language models (LLMs). The discussion begins with Sutskever's early intuitions about deep learning and his work on AlexNet, transitioning to OpenAI's initial goals and the development of GPT models. A key point is the importance of unsupervised learning through data compression and the role of scale in improving model performance. The conversation then delves into the architecture of ChatGPT and GPT-4, highlighting the use of reinforcement learning from human feedback and the surprising ability of GPT-4 to perform well on various standardized tests, including SAT and bar exams. Finally, Sutskever discusses the future of LLMs, emphasizing the need for improved reliability and the potential of multi-modality learning (incorporating images and audio) to enhance understanding and capabilities. For example, the integration of visual data significantly improved GPT-4's performance on tests requiring diagram interpretation.