This interview podcast features Ezra Klein interviewing Jake Sullivan, former National Security Advisor under President Biden. The conversation centers on the Biden administration's foreign policy approach, termed "Bidenism," which aimed to create a "foreign policy for the middle class" by connecting domestic and international strategies. Key discussion points include the Afghanistan withdrawal, the competitive approach to China, and the ongoing war in Ukraine, with Sullivan defending the administration's actions and outlining the challenges and successes. Sullivan highlights the need for a shift in international economic policy, moving away from a purely globalization-centric approach to one that prioritizes domestic industrial strength and supply chain resilience. The interview concludes with Sullivan's reflections on the 2020 election results and his book recommendations.
