This interview podcast focuses on marketing measurement, specifically comparing experimentation and media mix modeling (MMM). The podcast begins with introductions of the two academic guests, Koen Pauwels and Julian Runge, experts in marketing analytics. The discussion then delves into the definitions and applications of experimentation, including randomized control trials and geo-experiments, contrasting them with MMM and its potential pitfalls (e.g., omitted variable bias). The hosts and guests explore how firms can integrate experimentation into their marketing efforts, including the use of multi-objective optimization in media mix modeling. Finally, they discuss how these methods apply to the gaming industry and direct-to-consumer (D2C) businesses, emphasizing the importance of measuring milestones and demonstrating value to C-suite executives. A key takeaway is the need for marketers to understand the limitations of each approach and to use a combination of methods for a more holistic view of marketing effectiveness.