This interview podcast features Daniel Barquet, Executive Director of the Center for Humane Technology, interviewing Srdja Popovic, a leader in nonviolent social movements. The conversation centers on Popovic's concept of "dilemma actions," using humor and wit to expose the absurdity of oppressive regimes and create opportunities for change, illustrated by examples like a "Lego protest" in Russia and a Milosevic-faced barrel used as a punching bag. Popovic argues that successful social movements appeal to a broad "middle" rather than polarizing, and that humor can overcome both fear and apathy. The discussion concludes by applying these strategies to the challenges of responsible AI development, suggesting that highlighting the absurdity of current technological incentives can be a powerful tool for change.
