This interview podcast features Nicolai Tangen, CEO of the Norwegian Someone Wealth Fund, interviewing Michael Miebach, CEO of Mastercard. The conversation centers on the future of the payments industry, focusing on the increasing digitization of payments, the role of technology like biometrics, and Mastercard's efforts to combat fraud (investing $8 billion in cybersecurity over five years). Miebach predicts a future where payments are seamlessly integrated into everyday devices or even biometric authentication systems, eliminating the need for physical cards. He also discusses the importance of a strong vision, a collaborative team, and the positive impact of Mastercard's $50 billion foundation on its employees and communities, particularly in Africa.