This interview podcast features Amy Shoenthal, who discusses her research on setbacks and their role in personal and professional growth. The podcast begins with an introduction to Shoenthal and her work, then delves into her "Setback Cycle," a four-phase framework (Establish, Embrace, Explore, Emerge) for navigating setbacks. She illustrates the cycle with personal anecdotes, including her own experiences with career setbacks after maternity leave and a layoff. Shoenthal emphasizes the importance of community support during the "Explore" phase and highlights the brain's plasticity in responding to setbacks, leading to increased resilience and problem-solving skills. Listeners gain a practical framework for understanding and overcoming setbacks, learning to view them as opportunities for reinvention and growth.