This Meditation Monday episode of The Tim Ferriss Show features an interview with Henry Shukman, a Sanbo Zen master, focusing on managing stress related to meditation. The podcast begins with Tim Ferriss introducing the "Meditation Monday" series and promoting Shukman's meditation app. Shukman then addresses the common misconception that meditation requires a complete absence of thoughts, explaining that the goal is to develop a different relationship with thoughts rather than eliminating them entirely. He guides listeners through a short meditation exercise, instructing them to categorize thoughts as memories, plans, or imaginings and then gently return to a state of present awareness. The episode concludes with Shukman emphasizing the importance of simply creating a space for quiet and stillness in one's day, regardless of the presence or absence of thoughts. Listeners are encouraged to use a three-category system (memories, plans, imaginings) to file away thoughts that arise during meditation.