This interview podcast explores the intellectual underpinnings of the MAGA movement. Host Ezra Klein interviews James Pogue, who discusses the evolution of MAGA from a loose coalition to a more structured political force, highlighting key figures like J.D. Vance and the influence of online spaces like Twitter. Pogue analyzes the movement's internal factions and critiques of modernity, including its embrace of figures like Ted Kaczynski and its complex relationship with technology. The discussion also touches on the role of traditionalism and ethnic nationalism within MAGA, and how these ideas might influence a potential Trump administration. Ultimately, the podcast reveals the tension between the movement's stated goals and its reliance on established power structures.
