This interview podcast features author Elizabeth Gilbert discussing her views on purpose, creativity, and dealing with life's ups and downs. The conversation begins with Gilbert challenging the conventional notion of a singular, pre-ordained life purpose, advocating instead for a life guided by curiosity and presence. She differentiates between hobbies, jobs, careers, and callings, emphasizing the importance of enjoying hobbies and maintaining a healthy separation between work and personal life. Gilbert shares personal anecdotes about navigating immense success (Eat Pray Love) and setbacks (a book cancellation), highlighting the importance of grounding oneself and accepting that outcomes are not always guaranteed, regardless of effort. Ultimately, the podcast offers listeners a framework for approaching life with less anxiety and more acceptance of its unpredictable nature.