This podcast interviews Dr. Rachel Aaron, a clinical psychologist specializing in chronic pain, about the nature of chronic pain, its relationship with mental health, and effective treatment options. The interview covers common causes (often unknown), the biopsychosocial model of pain, and various treatments including CBT, mindfulness-based approaches, and newer emotion-focused therapies like Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET). Dr. Aaron highlights that while pain management is often a trial-and-error process, newer treatments aim to reverse pain rather than just manage it by addressing underlying emotional factors and trauma. The discussion also touches upon the effectiveness of antidepressants, acupuncture, and the emerging role of psychedelics in pain management. Listeners gain insights into understanding and addressing chronic pain, including recognizing when professional help is needed and where to find resources.