This podcast features an interview between Brad Gerstner and Bill Gurley, focusing on the intersection of technology and markets, particularly the implications of DeepSeek's R1 AI model and recent US policy decisions. The discussion covers DeepSeek's innovative approach, its open-source model's impact on global competition, and the debate surrounding US tariffs and their effect on technological advancement and economic relations with China. Gurley emphasizes the benefits of open-source AI and the potential risks of protectionist policies, while Gerstner explores the complexities of balancing national interests with global economic realities. A key takeaway is the significant uncertainty surrounding the future impact of AI development and US policy on markets and investments. The discussion also touches on Elon Musk's involvement in US budget negotiations and the potential constitutional implications of his actions.