This Latent Space podcast interviews Bret Taylor, CEO of Sierra and OpenAI board chairman, focusing on his engineering career and perspectives on the future of software development in the age of AI. The conversation begins with Taylor's background, including his work on Google Maps and the Facebook Like button, transitioning to his views on the evolving role of AI in software engineering, emphasizing the shift from "co-pilot" to "autonomous" AI tools. He discusses the importance of integrating product management and engineering in small teams, focusing on outcomes over implementation details, and highlights the emerging "AI architect" role. Finally, Taylor shares insights on the OpenAI board drama of 2023 and his belief that future software development will require new programming languages and systems better suited for AI-assisted development. A key takeaway is his advocacy for outcome-based pricing models for AI-powered software, mirroring how engineers are compensated for completed work rather than lines of code.