This podcast features an interview with Vitalik Buterin, a year after his blog post on the intersection of crypto and AI. Buterin reviews his four categories of crypto-AI interaction (AI as player, interface, rules, and objective), focusing on the progress and challenges in each. He highlights AI DAOs as a promising area, suggesting models like "AI as the engine, humans as the steering wheel" and "distilled human judgment" to improve DAO governance and address issues like bribery and low-quality decisions. He also discusses the use of AI as an interface to simplify blockchain interaction and the challenges of using zero-knowledge proofs with AI, particularly regarding security and scalability. A specific example discussed is the application of AI to improve the efficiency and accuracy of deep funding mechanisms for open-source projects.