This Fresh Air interview with investigative reporter Philip Shenon discusses his book, "Jesus Wept," which examines the impact of the last seven popes on the Catholic Church. The conversation begins with Pope Pius XII's actions during WWII, then focuses on Pope John XXIII's attempts at reform during Vatican II, including debates on priestly celibacy and birth control. Shenon highlights the subsequent backsliding under later popes and the ongoing struggle to address the sexual abuse crisis. The interview concludes with a discussion of Pope Francis's efforts and the lasting impact of Vatican II's reforms. The book offers a critical yet informative look at the Catholic Church's internal power struggles and their consequences.