This podcast interviews Noubar Afeyan, founder and CEO of Flagship Pioneering, a firm behind Moderna and other biotech companies. The discussion covers Afeyan's entrepreneurial journey, his company's approach to fostering emergent innovation (emphasizing variation, selection, and iteration over rigid goal-setting), and the transformative potential of AI in drug development. Afeyan highlights Flagship's expansion beyond therapeutics into areas like nutrition and climate, illustrating their strategy of tackling high-uncertainty ventures. He also discusses the challenges of translating AI-driven innovations into market-ready therapies, advocating for a more data-driven approach to clinical trials similar to Operation Warp Speed. The interview concludes with Afeyan's concept of "polyintelligence," integrating human, nature-derived, and machine intelligence.