This Kubernetes podcast episode interviews Lior Lieberman, a Google Cloud software engineer and Gateway API contributor, about the evolution from the Ingress API to the newer Gateway API. The podcast begins with Kubernetes news updates, then delves into Lior's journey with Kubernetes and his involvement in the networking SIG. The core discussion focuses on the limitations of the Ingress API, the design philosophy and advantages of the Gateway API (including improved composability and permission models), and the migration process using the `Ingress-to-Gateway` tool. Lior highlights the Gateway API's production readiness and its expanding capabilities beyond simple routing, such as integration with service meshes. The interview concludes with predictions about the future of Kubernetes networking and the Gateway API's role.