This interview podcast discusses the ongoing war in Ukraine, focusing on the Trump administration's proposed negotiation strategy to end the conflict. The discussion analyzes potential outcomes, comparing the situation to historical conflicts like the Korean and Vietnam Wars, and explores the implications for European security and the evolving relationship between the US, Russia, and China. A key point is the Trump administration's attempt to shock European nations into increased defense spending by highlighting the limitations of US security guarantees. The conversation also touches upon the economic implications of the war and the potential for a productivity miracle driven by AI. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the complex geopolitical landscape and the need for a nuanced approach to resolving the conflict and addressing the rising power of China.