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19 Mar 2025 1362 Ready

Escheat show (Update)

Planet Money

Summary

This Planet Money episode investigates "escheat," the process by which states claim unclaimed assets. The podcast uses the story of Walter Schramm, whose forgotten Amazon stock was escheated by Delaware, to illustrate the system's flaws and potential for abuse. It highlights how states utilize escheated funds, often without adequately notifying owners, and discusses the ongoing legal battle Schramm is waging. Listeners are encouraged to check their state's unclaimed property website; the podcast notes that listeners have collectively recovered over $38,000 in unclaimed funds since the episode's initial airing. The episode ultimately raises concerns about the balance between protecting consumers and the potential for states to profit from unclaimed assets.

Chapters

  1. 00:00:17

    Introduction: Walter Schramm's Lost Amazon Stock

    This chapter introduces the story of Walter Schramm, an Italian businessman who invested in Amazon stock in the late 1990s and lost track of it. The narrative sets the stage by highlighting the unexpected loss and the initial shock of discovering the missing investment. The introduction also foreshadows the exploration of the "escheat" process, a government program for handling unclaimed property.

  2. 00:04:17

    The Escheat System: How States Claim Unclaimed Property

    This section delves into the escheat system, explaining how state governments claim unclaimed assets like stocks, bank accounts, and paychecks. The core focus is on the process of escheat, including the timeframes for declaring property abandoned and the role of state unclaimed property departments. A key takeaway is the existence of state websites where individuals can search for unclaimed property; the hosts demonstrate this by searching for unclaimed property belonging to one of them.

  3. 00:15:03

    Analysis of the Escheat System and Walter Schramm's Case

    This chapter analyzes the potential flaws and conflicts of interest within the escheat system. The discussion centers on the concerns that states may prioritize revenue generation over returning funds to rightful owners. Walter Schramm's case serves as a prime example of the system's shortcomings, highlighting how the state of Delaware liquidated his Amazon stock in 2008, significantly reducing its value before he could reclaim it. The chapter concludes with updates on Walter's legal pursuit to recover the full value of his stock and the significant amount of unclaimed property Planet Money listeners have collectively recovered.

Keywords

Escheat

Escheat is a legal process where ownership of property reverts to the state when someone dies without heirs or leaves property unclaimed. In the podcast, it refers to state governments taking control of unclaimed assets like bank accounts or stocks.

Unclaimed Property

This term refers to assets like bank accounts, stocks, or insurance policies that have been left untouched for a certain period and are considered abandoned by their owners. The podcast discusses how states manage and handle these unclaimed assets.

Highlights

Depending on how you look at it, is either a brilliant way to protect you from greedy corporations or a way for state governments to literally reach into your accounts and take your money.

00:04:04

We did one time have sheeted guns and blueprints to a bank. Those are from a safe deposit box.

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Hello, Planet Money listeners.

00:00:19

This is Kenny Malone.

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We have a story today, one of our absolute favorite episodes that originally aired a few years back.

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But since then, there have been a few significant updates.

Shownotes

Note: This original episode ran in <a href="https://www.npr.org/2020/01/24/799345159/episode-967-escheat-show">2020</a>.<br/><br/>Walter Schramm did everything right as an investor — at least according to the philosophy of Warren Buffett. So how come he lost a small fortune?<br/><br/>In this episode, we look into an obscure government program that slurps up forgotten money. We hunt for money we might have left vulnerable and we try to figure out how it got there in the first place so we can tell you where to find the money you've misplaced too.<br/><br/><em>Find more </em>Planet Money<em>: </em><a href="https://n.pr/3h92GwS"><em>Facebook</em></a><em> / </em><a href="https://n.pr/3FqLuws"><em>Instagram</em></a><em> / </em><a href="https://n.pr/3sGZdrq"><em>TikTok</em></a><em> / Our weekly </em><a href="https://n.pr/3zrFvUB"><em>Newsletter</em></a><em>.<br/><br/>Listen free at these links: </em><a href="http://n.pr/PM-digital"><em>Apple Podcasts</em></a><em>, </em><a href="https://n.pr/3gTkQlR"><em>Spotify</em></a><em>, the </em><a href="https://n.pr/3Bkb17W"><em>NPR app</em></a><em> or anywhere you get podcasts.<br/><br/>Help support </em>Planet Money<em> and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to </em>Planet Money<em>+ </em><a href="http://n.pr/PM-digital"><em>in Apple Podcasts</em></a><em> or at </em><a href="https://n.pr/3HlREPz"><em>plus.npr.org/planetmoney</em></a><em>.</em><br/><br/>To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below:<br/><br/>See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.<br/><br/>Learn more about sponsor message choices: <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a><br/><br/><a href="https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy">NPR Privacy Policy</a>