This episode explores the concept of "abundance" in the context of American society and contrasts it with the Japanese model of urban development. The interview begins with a discussion of the author's new book and its unexpected reception, focusing on the unique design of "Zaku buildings" in Japan as a case study of accidental yet effective urban planning. Against this backdrop, the conversation pivots to a comparison of housing policies between Japan and the US, highlighting Japan's efficient administrative state and standardized zoning as key factors contributing to its higher housing production. More significantly, the discussion delves into the "abundance" movement, a supply-side progressive approach advocating for results-oriented policies over procedural fetishism. For instance, the authors' focus on achieving tangible outcomes like increased housing and energy production, rather than adhering strictly to ideological processes, is discussed. The interview then analyzes criticisms of the "abundance" movement, particularly from factions within the progressive left who express concerns about corporate profit and the potential for increased corporate power. In contrast, the interview argues that a focus on efficiency and streamlined processes, even within a market-based system, is crucial for achieving abundance. Ultimately, the episode concludes by emphasizing the need for a results-oriented approach in policymaking, advocating for a balance between market forces and effective government intervention to achieve a more abundant future for American society.