This week on More or Less, Jessica hosts with Joanna Coles, Chief Content Officer at The Daily Beast, while Sam, Dave, and Brit are off for “spring break”!

They explore:

• Elon’s DC stint

• Trump’s cabinet leaks: Leaks fuel Rubio-Elon tension

• China’s AI edge: Cheap tech shakes Valley’s lead

Plus, Joanna ponders plastic surgery risks in space—will implants hold up?

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The Daily Beast: https://www.thedailybeast.com

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01:13 The only one standing felt abandoned

03:05 Guest intro

04:36 What's it like inside the newsroom frontlines

07:03 Betrayal, greed, power, ambition, love...

12:17 What character is Elon Musk playing

20:25 The Donald, the Valley, and the Trade War

28:29 What the insider insiders are talking about

31:20 Space, plastic surgeons, celebrities

37:06 Another pop culture moment: Meghan Sussex

40:52 Royalty and the tabloid

46:05 Gloria Steinem, women's rights, reproductive health

48:23 Moments that break out

51:46 Outro

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