This episode explores the resurgence of pronatalism in the United States, examining its various factions and motivations. Against the backdrop of declining birth rates, the discussion delves into the arguments of pronatalists who warn of economic collapse and even extinction if birth rates continue to fall. More significantly, the interview highlights the diverse approaches within the movement, ranging from those advocating for technological advancements like IVF to religious groups opposing abortion and contraception. For instance, the Collinses, a prominent couple within the movement, utilize a data-driven approach and strategic branding to promote their pro-natalist views. In contrast, Dr. Guzzo emphasizes the importance of economic factors and societal support systems in influencing birth rates, arguing that current policies and incentives are insufficient to address the underlying issues. The discussion also touches upon the concerning overlap between pronatalist rhetoric and racist ideologies, as well as the historical context of eugenics and population control. Ultimately, the episode reveals the complex interplay of social, economic, and political factors shaping the debate around birth rates and family planning in the U.S., underscoring the need for a more nuanced and comprehensive approach to supporting families.