In this episode, Antonio Gracias joins the panel to discuss his experience working in the government and compares it to his work with Twitter/X, highlighting the complexity and potential for waste and fraud. The conversation covers the need for transparency and better incentives for civil servants, drawing parallels with Singapore's approach to government. The panel explores the talent and motivation of young people joining the government sector, inspired by leaders like Elon Musk and a sense of national service. A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the issue of illegal voting, with Gracias sharing findings of registered and actual illegal voters, emphasizing the importance of striving for a zero-defect system to protect the constitutional right to vote. The conversation shifts to immigration, with Gracias advocating for sensible legal immigration policies, balancing border control with the need for skilled and unskilled labor, and promoting compassion in the process.