Why Does My Mind Keep Thinking That?

In this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, Ezra interviews Mark Epstein, a Buddhist and psychotherapist, about the nature of thoughts, the self, and the intersection of Buddhist philosophy and Freudian psychotherapy. They discuss the role of meditation in understanding the mind, the value and limitations of Freudian theory, and the importance of non-judgment in both therapy and meditation. Epstein shares insights on selflessness, the relational nature of the self, and the challenge of desire, emphasizing the importance of finding a balance between understanding one's personal story and loosening attachment to it. The conversation explores how therapy and meditation can help individuals develop a sense of humor and detachment from their own experiences, ultimately leading to greater peace of mind and a deeper understanding of themselves and their relationships with others.