This podcast interviews Ken Stanley, author of "Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned," to discuss the limitations of ambitious objectives and the overreliance on metrics. The conversation explores how focusing on metrics can be deceptive in complex systems like education, hindering innovation by discouraging exploration of counterintuitive solutions. Stanley advocates for a more evolutionary approach, emphasizing the importance of "interestingness" and tolerating failures to foster genuine progress. He suggests that true visionaries recognize opportune moments for innovation rather than simply setting distant, unrealistic goals. The interview concludes with advice on navigating workplace pressures to pursue novel ideas, even when facing resistance from superiors entrenched in objective-driven systems.
