Best Of: Zadie Smith on Populists, Frauds and Flip Phones

In this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, Ezra interviews novelist Zadie Smith about her book "The Fraud," identity, and the impact of technology on society. They discuss the tension between amorphous and solidified identities, particularly in the context of political and social pressures. Smith shares her thoughts on the Tichborne case, the role of emotion versus logic, and the nature of intelligence. The conversation explores the dynamics of class, the influence of social media, and the challenges of aging and loneliness. Smith critiques the behavior modification system inherent in social media and expresses a desire for a more private and mysterious existence. They also touch on the generational differences and the value of genuine human connections. Smith recommends books by Daniel Killman, Adam Schatz, and Virginia Woolf.