In this episode of the "Empire" podcast, the spotlight is on Saudi Arabia's emergence in the early 20th century, particularly through the life and leadership of Ibn Saud. The hosts engage with Steve Coll, who has written extensively about the Bin Laden family. Coll shares insights into Ibn Saud's military victories, his connections with the British, and how Wahhabism was instrumental in shaping the kingdom. He reveals the complexities of Ibn Saud's character, showing how he managed to embrace modernity while remaining true to Wahhabist principles. The discussion also highlights Harry St. John Philby, whose son Kim Philby infamously became a Soviet spy. The episode wraps up by linking the historical roots of Wahhabism to its significant global influence today, particularly on groups like the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Listeners will gain a richer understanding of the historical and ideological forces that have defined modern Saudi Arabia and its effects worldwide.