The Global Story: The oil lobbyist who tried to sink the first big climate deal

In a bonus episode of The Global Story podcast, Asma Khalid and Tristan Redman explore the history and impact of climate summits, focusing on COP30 in Brazil. They interview Jordan Dunbar, host of the BBC's "The Climate Question," discussing the role of lobbyists, particularly oil lobbyists, in shaping climate agreements. The discussion highlights Don Pearlman, a key figure in the early climate negotiations, and his strategies to undermine consensus. The hosts and guest analyze the evolution of climate negotiations from the Kyoto Protocol to the Paris Agreement, the influence of business interests, and the current state of global climate action, including the U.S.'s shifting stance and the rise of green technologies.