In this podcast episode, host Mel Robbins explores the distinction between organizing and decluttering, highlighting that decluttering is a more effective way to alleviate stress and enhance mental clarity. She interviews decluttering expert Dana K. White, who stresses the importance of eliminating excess items to achieve a "clutter threshold"—the optimal amount of belongings one can comfortably manage. White outlines a straightforward five-step decluttering process: 1) Toss the trash, 2) Handle the easy items first, 3) Set aside donations, 4) Use two key questions to decide whether to keep or discard items, and 5) Confront emotional attachments to belongings. This approach emphasizes taking immediate action rather than creating piles, focusing on steady, incremental progress.