This interview podcast features Ted Seides speaking with Donald Miller, CEO of StoryBrand, about the art and science of crafting compelling brand messaging. The conversation follows a structured approach, starting with Miller's unconventional career path and moving into a detailed explanation of the seven key elements of story structure—emphasizing the importance of clarity and focusing on the customer as the hero, not the brand. Miller introduces his tool, storybrand.ai, which helps businesses generate effective taglines and messaging. A key takeaway is the three-phase customer journey (curiosity, enlightenment, commitment) and the importance of addressing the customer's problems (external, internal, philosophical) to build trust and drive sales. Listeners gain practical advice on clarifying their brand message to resonate more effectively with their target audience.