This interview podcast features Terry Glavin interviewing Alex Epstein, author of "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels" and "Fossil Future," about the changing landscape of energy policy. The discussion begins by assessing the shift in public opinion towards fossil fuels over the past two years, highlighting the increasing recognition of their necessity for reliable electricity, particularly due to the surge in demand from data centers and AI. Epstein then outlines five key objectives for a pro-energy freedom policy platform, focusing on responsible domestic development, ending preferences for unreliable energy sources, establishing cost-benefit environmental standards, achieving climate resilience through innovation, and unleashing nuclear energy. A specific example discussed is the need to reform the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) to reduce its use as a tool for delaying energy projects. The overall aim is to provide policymakers with a practical framework for creating energy-rich, abundant, and pro-human policies.