This podcast features an interview with Rory Sutherland discussing the impact of the pandemic on workplace dynamics and broader societal shifts. The conversation covers return-to-office trends, the unexpected decrease in US office occupancy, the limitations of digital communication, and the importance of serendipitous interactions. Sutherland highlights the slow adoption of remote work technology and the need for businesses to prioritize long-term strategies over short-term gains, using the example of the Jaguar rebrand as a case study in bold, albeit risky, pivoting. He also emphasizes the importance of considering individual needs and preferences in workplace design and flexible working arrangements, advocating for a balance between focused individual work and collaborative spaces. The interview concludes with a discussion of economic models, wealth inequality, and the potential for innovative solutions to improve societal well-being.