This Ezra Klein Show interview focuses on Martin Gurri's evolving perspective on the "Revolt of the Public," initially described in his 2014 book. The conversation explores Gurri's shift from a critical stance on Trump in 2016 to voting for him in 2024, attributing this change to concerns about free speech and the perceived failures of the Democratic Party's "politics of control." Gurri argues that the abundance of information in the digital age has destabilized traditional institutions, leading to a cyclical pattern of high-engagement movements and counter-movements. He suggests that Trump's approach, while unconventional, might represent an attempt to create a more responsive and less hierarchical government. The discussion concludes with book recommendations from Gurri, including Andre Muir's "Post-Journalism and the Death of Newspapers."
