This Masters of Scale podcast episode interviews Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen about his leadership approach and Adobe's strategic pivots, particularly its transition to a cloud-based subscription model and its embrace of AI. The conversation covers Narayen's leadership style, the challenges and successes of the cloud transition, and Adobe's approach to integrating AI into its products, including the development of its own models and partnerships with others. Narayen emphasizes the importance of data-driven decision-making, customer feedback, and a willingness to experiment. A key takeaway is the importance of viewing technological shifts as opportunities for investment rather than risks, and the need for companies to adapt and transform to stay competitive. Listeners gain insights into leading large-scale organizations through significant technological change.