This episode explores the application of Motivational Interviewing (MI) in leadership and organizational development. Against the backdrop of Fredrik Eliasson's 20-year career in social work and MI training, the discussion details his journey from initial struggles with MI implementation to its integration as a core leadership philosophy. More significantly, the conversation delves into the "MILO" initiative—a collaborative effort to establish a resource hub for MI in leadership contexts—highlighting the importance of psychological safety and a strength-based approach. For instance, the episode features a compelling anecdote about a 17-year-old's insightful observation on the difference between genuine and performative MI application by staff. The discussion then pivots to the concept of "equipoise" in MI leadership, emphasizing the ethical considerations of influencing versus supporting employee decision-making. Ultimately, the episode underscores the potential of MI to foster engaged workforces and psychologically safe environments, suggesting a shift towards more humanistic and collaborative leadership styles.