This episode explores the journey of John Herman, CEO and co-founder of BERO, a non-alcoholic beverage brand, from his initial career in apparel to leading major brands like Nutribullet and C4, and ultimately founding BERO with actor Tom Holland. Against the backdrop of an increasingly health-conscious market, Herman discusses the importance of creating a distinct and high-quality product in the competitive non-alcoholic beer category, emphasizing BERO's commitment to tasting like traditional beer while maintaining a premium brand identity. More significantly, the conversation delves into the dynamics of working with a celebrity co-founder, highlighting the need for mutual respect, trust, and a shared vision, as well as the operational challenges of building a beverage brand, including navigating complex regulations and managing cash flow. For instance, Herman shares insights on securing retail partnerships, emphasizing the importance of demonstrating category growth potential, brand differentiation, and operational capabilities, while also strategically balancing storytelling with commercial availability. Emerging industry patterns reflected in BERO's strategy include a focus on long-term brand building, premiumization, and adapting to consumer feedback through social media and direct engagement, ultimately aiming for a brand that stands on its own while promoting inclusivity and moderation in drinking habits.