This interview podcast features Terry Glavin and Michael Malice discussing the nature of self-actualization, the dangers of unchecked ambition, and the pervasiveness of moral posturing. The conversation begins with a discussion of virtue signaling and its potential for enabling deep evil, transitioning into a nuanced exploration of self-actualization and its relationship to societal structures. They delve into the psychological aspects of narcissism and the challenges of integrating multiple "selves" into a cohesive identity, referencing Jungian psychology and the Exodus story as illustrative examples. Specific examples include a discussion of the Future Authoring Program and its surprising success rate in reducing college dropouts, highlighting the importance of charting one's own course and defining one's own values. The discussion concludes with reflections on the nature of evil, particularly the depravity of child abuse, and the role of trickster archetypes in societal shifts.